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Updated: February 13, 2024

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Six Figure Mentors Review

16 things you should know about Six Figure Mentors

Six Figure Mentors
1.4/5 1.41
Emmanuel KemehValidated ReviewerValidated Reviewer6 Reviews | Rate This Course
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Welcome to my Six Figure Mentors review.

I recently spent 7+ hours researching this affiliate marketing course so you don’t have to.

(Have you taken this course? Add your rating!)

If you want to know:

  • What Six Figure Mentors is all about
  • If it’s legit or a scam
  • Common complaints about the program
  • Why some people call it a pyramid scheme
  • If students are actually getting results

Then you’ve come to the right place.

Let’s get started.

Six Figure Mentors – Key Points
  About

An affiliate marketing course for fans of Multi-Level Marketing (MLM).

💰  Price

Basic training: $297 entry fee + $97 per month (discount info)

😍  Pros

They appear to honor their refund policy.

😩  Cons

Students only seem to succeed by promoting the course itself. Also: hidden costs and hard upsells.

  Verdict

Lots of red flags and likely overpriced. Invest your time and money elsewhere.

Overall Rating
1.4/5 1.42

About the Author

Niall Doherty

Hey, I’m Niall Doherty.

I quit my last 9-to-5 job back in 2010.

Since then, I’ve earned my living online doing a variety of things:

I’ve bought and reviewed many online courses over the years, ranging in price from free to $3600.

Some of those courses were excellent (see my top picks here).

And some were awful. 

Unfortunately, I have to put Six Figure Mentors in the latter category 😕

Table Of Contents

To learn about our review process, click here.

This review is a joint effort between Niall Doherty of eBiz Facts and members of the Freedom Business Builder community.

Our process:

  1. Niall spent 7+ hours researching the Six Figure Mentors program. This involved a close examination of the sales funnel, reading a bunch of other SFM reviews, watching far too many YouTube videos, and googling relentlessly for answers to countless questions relating to the course.
  2. Niall then wrote up the first draft of this review.
  3. We sent the draft to our Freedom Business Builder community and asked for feedback.
  4. We made our final edits and published the review.
  5. We sent the review to Six Figure Mentors and asked if he had any comments or corrections.

Note: We earn a commission if you decide to make a purchase through referral links in this review. Read our full disclosure here.

What is Six Figure Mentors?

Six Figure Mentors is a somewhat controversial online training program that promises to help you build a digital business and “design the life you love.”

six figure mentors homepage

The program first launched in 2010. 

Keep reading and I’ll explain the controversy.

How can you make money with Six Figure Mentors?

Successful students of Six Figure Mentors seem to make most of their money like this:

  • They become affiliates of SFM
  • They advertise SFM on Facebook
  • They convert those advertising leads into sales of SFM
  • The collect a commission for each sale

Selling other people’s products and collecting a commission is called affiliate marketing.

Affiliate marketing can be done with free or paid traffic, and you can use it to promote many different products.

From what I’ve seen, Six Figure Mentors primarily teaches you how to promote SFM itself with paid traffic from Facebook ads. 

When successful, the entire process looks like this:

how affiliate marketing works six figure mentors

Is Six Figure Mentors legit or a scam?

That depends how you feel about Multi-Level Marketing. Because Six Figure Mentors is considered by many to be an MLM company, and for good reason.

If you consider MLM to be a kind of scam, then you’re likely to view Six Figure Mentors as a scam.

Note that Multi-Level Marketing is NOT the same thing as a pyramid scheme, though there can be quite a bit of overlap.

The main difference is that pyramid schemes are illegal, whereas MLMs are not.

According to FTC.gov:

ftc pyramid scheme mlm

I haven’t seen Six Figure Mentors describe themselves as an MLM company, but I would certainly regard them as such.

Why?

Because my research failed to uncover evidence of any SFM students earning a significant income without recruiting other members to SFM.

In other words, recruiting other members seems to be the primary – if not the only – way that students of SFM make money.

Does that make Six Figure Mentors a scam?

Again, it depends how you feel about Multi-Level Marketing.

As the FTC notes, MLM can be legit, but:

Most people who join legitimate MLMs make little or no money.

My personal take on Six Figure Mentors is that their training is most likely overpriced, and the main thing you learn from it is how to convince other people to buy the same training.

I wouldn’t go so far as to call it a scam, but I rate SFM as one of the worst affiliate marketing courses I’ve reviewed to date.

Here’s the full list:

🏆 Best Affiliate Marketing Courses 🏆

1.The Authority Site System (review)
4.8/5
2.The Affiliate Lab (review)
4.6/5
3.Scale Your Travel Blog (review)
4.6/5
4.Blog Growth Engine (review)
4.5/5
5.Passive Income Geek (review)
4.4/5
6.Niche Site Profits (review)
4.3/5
7.Income School's Project 24 (review)
4.3/5
8.Blogging Fast Lane (review)
3.9/5
9.Perfecting Blogging (review)
3.8/5
10.Solo Build It (review)
3.7/5
11.123 Affiliate Marketing (review)
3.4/5
12.Passive Income Unlocked (review)
3.2/5
13.Jungle Influencer (review)
3.1/5
14.Affiliate Escape Plan (review)
3.1/5
15.Digital Worth Academy (review)
2.9/5
16.YouTube Affiliate Marketing System (review)
2.9/5
17.Home Business Academy (review)
2.7/5
18.Entre Institute (review)
2.6/5
19.Affiliate Marketing Success MasterClass (review)
2.5/5
20.Passive Income Pathways (review)
2.5/5
See all reviews of affiliate marketing courses »

Six Figure Mentors Price + Discount Info

Six Figure Mentors has many products and tiers, starting with basic free training and going all the way up to a $20,000 offering.

Only three membership options are listed on the SFM sales page:

six figure mentors membership options 1

However, there is another “level” to Six Figure Mentors called the Digital Experts Academy (DEA), with prices ranging from $2,500 to $20,000.

If you sign up for the free training you will see a 72-hour discount offer to get $100 off the initial fee for Essential Membership:

six figure mentors upgrade discount offer

If you were to become an Essential Member of SFM for an entire year, with the $100 discount, it would cost you more than $1,200.

And that’s not including the money you’d need to spend on Facebook ads to actually generate some income for yourself.

This is on the expensive end when it comes to affiliate marketing courses.

See a list of free and cheaper alternatives here »

SIX FIGURE MENTORS – CRITICISMS 👎

I usually list the positives of a course before getting into criticisms.

But in the case of Six Figure Mentors, I’ve found no significant positives to mention.

On to the criticisms then…

Multi-Level Marketing Model

Many affiliate marketing courses have their own affiliate programs. But few take it as far as Six Figure Mentors, where the affiliate program appears to be the only way students are earning significant income.

Six Figure Mentors emphasize that you’re free to apply their training to promote any products or services you choose…

six figure mentors do i need to sell sfm products mlm
Source: PDF info sheet for SFM (see the full thing here)

However, I’ve read multiple reports that SFM strongly encourages students to promote SFM above all else, and provides little guidance for finding and promoting other products or services.

Add to that: through my several hours of researching SFM, I can’t recall seeing even one example of a student who has earned significant income promoting something other than Six Figure Mentors itself.

Instead, you see examples like these two brothers who earned more than $200,000 in only 9 months by getting other people to sign up for SFM…

One of those brothers shows at the 6:30 mark of the following video that they went on to earn $1.45 million from promoting SFM, including $185,554 in a single month…

Meanwhile, this student shows at the 6:00 mark that he earned almost $600,000 in commissions from SFM in less than two years…

This approach to affiliate marketing differs significantly from other affiliate marketing courses I’ve reviewed.

For example, courses like The Authority Site System and Commission Hero teach you how to find all kinds of third-party products to promote, and barely mention their own affiliate programs.

But with courses like Six Figure Mentors and Wealthy Affiliate, most of the training is focused on turning you into a salesperson for the program itself.

The process looks like this:

  • Buy the program
  • Program teaches you how to sell the program
  • You sell the program to other people
  • You earn a commission for each sale you refer

This process has obviously proved profitable for some SFM students – most likely a tiny minority – but many people are uncomfortable with it.

Like this commenter on YouTube:

six figure mentors pyramid scheme youtube comment

Background of the Founders

The founders of Six Figure Mentors – Stuart Ross and Jay Kubassek – have a history of promoting MLM-type products. Some of which were declared illegal.

stuart ross jay kubassek six figure mentors

Back in 2009, Stuart Ross was encouraging people to join a program called YourNetBiz…

Read up on YourNetBiz and you’ll find that it sounds remarkably similar to Six Figure Mentors…

It looks like YourNetBiz ceased operations around 2010, which was the same year Stuart launched his similarly-structured Six Figure Mentors program.

(Coincidence?)

Meanwhile, Jay Kubassek apparently worked as a salesman for a company called Liberty League International (LLI) up until about 2009…

jay kubassek six giure mentors mlm wikipedia 1
Source: automatic Google translation from Norwegian Wikipedia article,
Liberty League International

Turns out LLI was “one of the largest MLM companies ever” and got in all sorts of legal trouble before shutting down…

jay kubassek lli mlm wikipedia 2

The first screenshot above notes a connection between Jay and another company called Wealth Masters International, which also had legal issues…

jay kubassek wmi mlm wikipedia 3
Source: automatic Google translation from Norwegian Wikipedia article,
Wealth Masters International

Given that information about Jay and Stuart, I’d be very hesitant to buy any program they’re selling.

Empty Testimonials

You’ll find many positive testimonials for Six Figure Mentors online, but most of them offer generic praise without mentioning any specific results achieved from the training.

Prime example:

From that, it seems doubtful that Chris has earned much money from the SFM training at all, but takes solace in the fact that at least she’s made a few friends.

(Btw, this is very similar to most of the testimonials you’ll see for Wealthy Affiliate)

Here are a bunch of written testimonials from another SFM sales page

six figure mentors student testimonial 2

You’ll notice that not a single one of those students say that they’re actually earning money from the training. Instead, they all offer generic praise about the community, gaining clarity, or having hope for the future.

The reviews on the SFM Facebook page are similar:

six figure mentors student testimonial 3
six figure mentors student testimonial 4

In my research, I’ve seen only two types of testimonials for SFM:

  • Specific praise from a handful of students who are earning big money by promoting the program itself.
  • Generic praise from lots of students who find the program very welcoming and believe it will help them earn lots of money… you know, at some point… in the future… eventually.

By contrast, you’ll see testimonials like this on the sales page for another affiliate marketing course:

See the difference?

Style Over Substance

Pay a visit to the primary Six Figure Mentors sales page and you’ll see lots of aspirational lifestyle images, but few specifics about the actual SFM training.

Atop that sales page, you’ll see a background video flashing up images of happy couples, a woman doing yoga, a sports car cruising the coast…

six figure mentors homepage 2
six figure mentors homepage 3

…that kind of thing.

Scroll down that page and you’ll see a number of very slick student testimonial videos…

six figure mentors student testimonial 5

I watched those videos and came away unsure if many of the students featured had actually achieved financial success, or if they’d simply been treated to a makeover and photoshoot.

Oh, and if you do sign up for the free SFM membership, you’ll be greeted with a welcome video of Stuart Ross in his Ferarri…

stuart ross ferarri six figure mentors

I feel there is far too much flashy lifestyle stuff in SFM’s marketing and training materials, and far too little focus on showing you how to build and run a successful online business.

Even if flashy lifestyle stuff appeals to you, I reckon you’d be better off signing up for one of Tai Lopez’s courses instead of SFM.

Tai Lopez isn’t perfect either (as detailed here), but I’ve seen far more substance beyond his style.

Hidden Costs

To make the most of your Six Figure Mentors membership, you are encouraged to spend significant sums on further training and paid advertising.

SFM do tell you in advance that you will need a marketing budget, but I’ve never seen them give any solid indication of how big that budget should be.

Instead, they keep things pretty vague…

six figure mentors marketing budget
Source: PDF download from the SFM sales page

But we can get an indication of how big your marketing budget should be by looking at the following report from a successful SFM student.

He notes that he was earning as much as $5000 per month promoting SFM, but had to spend $4000 before seeing any real returns…

Granted, pretty much every legit business opportunity requires you to invest some money and learn some skills.

But if a $4000 investment is the norm before you start seeing results from Six Figure Mentors, it doesn’t compare well to many of the other affiliate marketing courses I’ve reviewed.

Hard Upsells

Six Figure Mentors say they’ll teach you a type of marketing that doesn’t require “hard selling” people. Meanwhile, they seem to regularly hard sell their own students on course upgrades.

From the Six Figure Mentors sales page:

six figure mentors hard selling 1

Funny that.

Because I’ve read at least seven separate reports of SFM pressuring students to upgrade to higher training levels.

For example:

six figure mentors hard selling 2
Source: The Six Figure Mentors Explained (youtube.com)
six figure mentors hard selling 3
Source: The Six Figure Mentors (bbb.org)

When I signed up for a free SFM account, I was asked to provide lots of information about myself…

six figure mentors upgrade application form

Within 7 days of filling out that form, SFM reps had tried calling me twice and I’d received 5 emails inviting me to upgrade to their paid training…

six figure mentors email
Email from SFM asking me to schedule a “consultation,” where I’d bet their #1 recommendation would be to upgrade to their paid membership.
six figure mentors email 2
Email from SFM inviting me to upgrade to a paid membership.

This to me feels a lot more like “hard selling” than “offering great value.”

3 More Things You Should Know About Six Figure Mentors

Refund Policy

One of the few things I liked about Six Figure Mentors is their 30-day, no-questions-asked refund policy, which they seem to honor.

Here’s how they explain it when you go to upgrade to a paid membership:

six figure mentors refund guarantee

And judging by this comment on Facebook, they do actually honor refund requests:

You can see the full refund policy for Six Figure Mentors on this page.

Notable:

  • “Bonuses offered as an optional add-on with the SFM 30-Day Trial are nonrefundable.”
  • You only have 3 days to request a refund on the advanced DEA products.
  • “Your monthly subscription fees are non-refundable should you cancel your membership.”

Access to 1000’s of Courses?

You’ll see SFM mention on their sales page that you get access to 1000’s of courses when you become a member. These courses are from a platform called LinkedIn Learning. You don’t need an SFM membership to access them.

Here’s the mention on the SFM sales page: 

six figure mentors courses 1

If you sign up for a free account they tell you on the upgrade page that those courses are from LinkedIn Learning:

six figure mentors courses 2

Sign up for LinkedIn Learning separately and it costs only $30 per month, plus you can start with a 1-month free trial.

Sign up for a full year of LinkedIn Learning and it will cost you about $220 with the free trial.

By comparison, the SFM Essential Membership would cost you more than $1200 for a year, even with their discount offer.

And I daresay you would learn a lot more from LL than you would from SFM.

Application Fee?

There may once have been an application fee to join Six Figure Mentors, but it looks like they got rid of that.

During my research, I read many criticisms of SFM requiring you to pay $29.95 to apply to become a member.

This may once have been the case, but apparently not anymore.

I was able to sign up for a free SFM account and proceed immediately to the upgrade page for Essential membership…

six figure mentors upgrade form

WRAP UP

Are students of Six Figure Mentors actually getting results?

There do appear to be a handful of SFM students who have earned big money, but all their earnings seem to have come from selling the same program to other people.

This is the Multi-Level Marketing model discussed previously.

SFM is essentially teaching students how to recruit more students. And then those students try to recruit more students. And on and on.

There’s probably more to the SFM training than that, and there are probably some people who have taken the training and gone on to build successful affiliate businesses without promoting SFM… but I haven’t seen ANY examples of that.

Instead, the vast majority of students seem to get nothing more than some feel-good vibes when they start the training.

Like Trevor here…

Or Kevin, who claims to have spent $20,000 on Six Figure Mentors – that’s how much DEA Black costs – but would probably have received the same value from a $30/month LinkedIn Learning subscription…

Who should join Six Figure Mentors?

I can’t in good conscience recommend that ANYONE join Six Figure Mentors.

There are so many red flags with this program that it seems foolish to invest any significant time or money in it.

Especially when there are so many better and cheaper options available…

Better Alternatives to Six Figure Mentors

I’ve reviewed many other affiliate marketing courses that I’d consider better alternatives to SFM.

Here’s the full list…

🏆 Best Affiliate Marketing Courses 🏆

1.The Authority Site System (review)
4.8/5
2.The Affiliate Lab (review)
4.6/5
3.Scale Your Travel Blog (review)
4.6/5
4.Blog Growth Engine (review)
4.5/5
5.Passive Income Geek (review)
4.4/5
6.Niche Site Profits (review)
4.3/5
7.Income School's Project 24 (review)
4.3/5
8.Blogging Fast Lane (review)
3.9/5
9.Perfecting Blogging (review)
3.8/5
10.Solo Build It (review)
3.7/5
11.123 Affiliate Marketing (review)
3.4/5
12.Passive Income Unlocked (review)
3.2/5
13.Jungle Influencer (review)
3.1/5
14.Affiliate Escape Plan (review)
3.1/5
15.Digital Worth Academy (review)
2.9/5
16.YouTube Affiliate Marketing System (review)
2.9/5
17.Home Business Academy (review)
2.7/5
18.Entre Institute (review)
2.6/5
19.Affiliate Marketing Success MasterClass (review)
2.5/5
20.Passive Income Pathways (review)
2.5/5
See all reviews of affiliate marketing courses »

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Student Reviews of Six Figure Mentors

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Emmanuel Kemeh
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5.0/5
December 9, 2022

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Six Figure Mentors From Inside

I joined Six Figure Mentors (SFM) over a year ago. There are some misconceptions about the company that I’d like to clear up.

1. SFM is NOT a Multi-Level Marketing (MLM) platform. It is an educational platform that offers first-class training and resources to people who want to build their online businesses. You indeed join the company through an affiliate who gets paid for introducing you to the course. Isn’t that what affiliate marketing is all about?

2. The success of the members doesn’t depend on promoting the course. It depends on what one does with the knowledge and skills acquired from the course. Of course, one of the most popular business models is affiliate marketing. One can be an affiliate of SFM or any other company using the knowledge and skills acquired from the training. Lots of SFM students have succeeded in their businesses without promoting SFM courses.

3. Anyone who complains about the upsells in SFM simply demonstrates ignorance of basic marketing knowledge. There are different course levels and different degrees of help or support that one may need. You simply pay for what you get. When you go to a shop and they offer you to buy other available products, do you think of it as wrong? Nobody forces you to buy anything if you don’t want to!

4. SFM is NOT a get-rich-quick scheme! It’s an educational platform for good students who are ready to put in the work to acquire knowledge and skills. Whatever they do with those skills has as much to do with SFM as what your degree has to do with your college.

I’ve studied on several online educational platforms. I can assert that very few offer the value that SFM students receive for what they pay!

Pros and Cons

  • The company values
  • The sheer volume and quality of resources available to students
  • The quality/price ratio
  • There are so much good things to learn that if you're not careful, you can get overwhelmed.
Validated Reviewer
  • Validated Reviewer 3
  • Verified Student 4
  • Review Info 5
4.0/5
July 2, 2022

This reviewer has a business relationship with the course creator or a competitor. Not included in overall ratings. Learn more.

More Than MLM - Recent Courses Provide Training & Coaching For Newbies

Not sure about previous iterations mentioned in other reviews, but the newer courses LaunchYou.com and Accelerate With You are excellent introductory and advanced training and coaching options for both new and advanced digital marketers.

They also provide full-service website hosting and promote several specific tools such as Convertri, AWeber, etc. which are integrated into a suitable working package. The newbie can learn and depart to build their affiliate marketing, e-commerce, or coaching/training business online.

From my point of view, the course serves to demystify internet marketing and provide basic tools from the best services available to become a confident affiliate. I might also add that this business has been built for a fraction of the cost to enter into a franchise or any other SME, bricks-and-mortar business.

As always, some follow the process and make lots of money, and some don’t. My recommendation would be to go for it and learn what you can – put in the effort and you will reap the rewards.

Pros and Cons

  • Access to integrated packages.
  • Excellent presentation and training from various sources.
  • Great online marketing insights.
  • Not cheap, but you get what you pay for.
  • Not a get rich quick scheme, it takes time and effort.
  • The output depends on the effort and energy you put into the training.
Validated Reviewer
  • Validated Reviewer 6
  • Verified Student 7
  • Review Info 8
4.0/5
April 12, 2022
Earnings 9
less than expected
Following Training 10
for 6 to 12 months

The Six Figure Mentors Opened My Eyes!

I was a paying member for 7 months and I want to get back in. The information and the way it is presented is simply amazing. The training is hands-on and generates momentum.

Imagine the 90 day vlog challenge: for 90 days you talk into the camera, trying your best to give value. That’s a journey!

I have read many negative reviews. Since I don’t know the alternatives, it is hard for me to compare, but:

  • SFM is about online business building, which is MUCH broader than just affiliate marketing.
  • They provide many, many, many in-depth courses. All of them are much better than the included LinkedIn courses, which don’t offer much extra value in my opinion.
  • I had been involved in MLM marketing before, which is an OK business model (not the same as pyramid scheme), but the SFM is not an MLM business.
  • Learning and training together with others is very empowering.

The reason there is so much confusion: it is a training center, an academy. You go there to learn! People get confused and enter to earn!

SFM does promote “learn & earn” – good for their business, you’ll stay longer, true – but if you go there to learn, you get world-class service.

Pros and Cons

  • Hands-on training.
  • Momentum-oriented.
  • Great community.
  • They push you to promote their own product, which might be confusing.
  • The training is not cheap.
  • It's a lot to take in. Online business is a job, not a magical formula.
more ratings
Implementation 11
about what I expected
Presentation 12
5.0/5
Usefulness 13
5.0/5
Community 14
5.0/5
Support 15
4.0/5
Value For Money 16
4.0/5
Validated Reviewer
  • Validated Reviewer 17
  • Review Info 18
3.0/5
January 31, 2022
Earnings 19
less than expected
Following Training 20
for 1 to 6 months

Outdated Fluff

Only useful for complete novices who have very deep pockets. I didn’t receive my welcome/discovery call until month two, by which time I’d listened to all the videos and kept wondering when the real details would unfold. They don’t! Unless you wish to part with a lot more money. This unfolded on the discovery call.

The title “discovery call” leads you to believe you would have a better direction once you’d spoken with your mentor. However, the only offer made to me was that of other more expensive courses. I canceled my membership a few days later.

In hindsight, I feel Stuart Ross offers something for a complete newbie, but if you have experience in anything digital then this course isn’t for you. I appreciate nothing comes free and a good course is worth paying for. But the $90 per month is a waste of money for nothing but a lot of hot air. Shop around would be my advice.

Pros and Cons

  • Stuart Ross was likable and easy to follow.
  • A lot of the information is in video format.
  • It failed to deliver on their marketing promises.
  • The weekly video calls were mind-numbingly dull.
  • Jay (the other business partner) is not easy to listen to. His tone of voice isn't ideal.
more ratings
Implementation 21
about what I expected
Presentation 22
3.0/5
Usefulness 23
2.0/5
Community 24
3.0/5
Support 25
1.0/5
Value For Money 26
1.0/5
Senka Pazman
  • Validated Reviewer 27
  • Review Info 28
1.0/5
November 5, 2021
Earnings 29
way less than expected
Following Training 30
for 1 to 6 months

Very bad course, stay away.

I joined the SFM after seeing a YouTube ad. Until then I never considered affiliate marketing nor did I know what it was. Initially the course opened a whole new world for me and I was really excited. It took me about a month and a half to go through the modules and I was diligently taking notes.

All together I stayed with the SFM for 3 months.

Since the very beginning I wanted to create a website about sustainable products, and so I kept waiting for the moment when they would show me how, but it didn’t happen. After 3 months I had a bunch of notes and nothing to show for it.

Some of the live webinars that you are required to join are exceptionally useless, literally nothing useful is said for 2 hours. That was super disappointing.

Everything in the course is set up for you to start advertising the SFM on Google, Facebook etc… and get more people to sign up with them. Then you earn a commission.

But they don’t give you any knowledge, just hope that if you don’t give up it will happen at some point. That’s why so many people are failing and just losing a ton of money doing Google ads that they have no understanding of.

But for the SFM guys it’s all the same whether you make money or not. Because THEY are making money off of you since it’s a subscription type of a course. Stuart Ross himself says on a few occasions that subscription income is the holy grail.

As long as they are feeding your hope if success – irrelevant of your actual progress – more money for them. And they are really good at that.

So, do stay away.

Pros and Cons

  • n/a
  • It's basically a scam.
  • They never gave me the knowledge that they promised.
  • Very superficial training.
more ratings
Implementation 31
about what I expected
Presentation 32
5.0/5
Usefulness 33
2.0/5
Community 34
4.0/5
Support 35
4.0/5
Value For Money 36
1.0/5
Veikko Arvonen
  • Validated Reviewer 37
  • Verified Student 38
  • Review Info 39
2.0/5
October 7, 2021
Earnings 40
way less than expected
Following Training 41
for 1 to 2 years

Teaches important skills, but has many red flags.

Before I started my current blog, I used to be a member of Six Figure Mentors. That was the first training I bought when I became interested in making money online.

I wasn’t able to earn any money with it. I managed to get multiple leads because I learned how to market. However, I quit because I started to think that recruiting people to a multi-level marketing company was both difficult and unethical. In my opinion, SFM is definitely a multi-level marketing company because they mostly teach you how to recruit.

Here are some things I loved about SFM:
– The entire community is full of friendly and helpful people.
– The customer support is also phenomenal because I could receive help for my problems anytime.
– They also teach you essential skills about online entrepreneurship such as website building and digital marketing.

Here are some things I disliked about SFM:
– Firstly, it’s an MLM company. I consider MLM a questionable business model because most people make little or no money at all. That’s a mathematical fact. Only the top 0.1% of recruiters make a lot of money because recruiting means that someone else has to spend money.
– Secondly, most of the training is overpriced. The essential package is $297 which is reasonable, but they heavily encourage you to spend thousands on their advanced training. In my opinion, a four-digit price for an affiliate marketing course is too much. They also have a monthly membership fee of $97, which is too much.
– Thirdly, they mostly teach how to market their product and ignore many crucial skills you need to have to succeed online. Skills like SEO, keyword research, link building, and content creation.

SFM can teach you valuable skills, but if it’s the only training you’ll buy, you’ll probably going to make little or no money. I’d say the essential package is worth it, but don’t spend money on the expensive training. SFM taught me valuable skills, but you can definitely find a better course if you’re interested in affiliate marketing.

Pros and Cons

  • Friendly community.
  • Phenomenal customer support.
  • Teaches some valuable skills.
  • MLM business model.
  • Ignores important skills of making money online.
  • Very expensive in the long run.
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22 Questions & Answers

  1. I’m a member of “SFM” – it’s in quotes as that’s what you’re referring to, just one single part of the digital marketing education Stuart and Jay’s company provides. It teaches you how to affiliate market and gives you a product you can use in anger to learn and possibly earn from *once you actually learn what you’re doing*. They also show you other sites to use too so you can affiliate with other companies too. The choice is yours.

    For what it’s worth, and obviously people can choose to believe me or not, affiliate marketing for SFM is a thing most members use for transitioning to something they want to do for themselves. (There’s a whole other side where you discover what you actually want to do and how to make it into a business)
    Many people start there and it makes sense as you can speak to other people doing the same – they get what you’re doing and so there’s help a-plenty.
    Win or lose you learn real skills that are useful in any online business you decide to set up.

    Yes, you can upgrade once you’re a member as yes, some people need the extra hand-holding (I did) and yes you have to pay for peoples’ time and effort over and above $97. It’s a BIG setup all geared to actually getting you over the line as it is not easy.

    Most people don’t know what they want to do but by being a member with everyone else you get so many ideas and your mind is opened. It’s not the same as just looking around on youtube – when you actually know the people and see them go from scrambling newbies to running online businesses genuinely solving peoples’ or businesses’ problems and earning really good money, you suddenly really believe you can too.

    I affiliate for SFM. In that process, I’ve learned to build websites, use google Ads, google analytics, google tag manager, automation software, how to advertise on Youtube, and track everything so I know what works… not to mention all the stuff you pick up along the way. Doesn’t sound sexy, does it? But it’s essential to at least understand.

    Alongside the affiliate stuff, I’m in the middle of setting up my own business to help local gyms and coffee shops get online so they don’t have to rely on footfall – pretty useful considering the covid pandemic.

    I better understand marketing, copywriting, landing pages, automated email follow-up, lead generation, ethical selling techniques, improved communication skills…. the list goes on. Can you learn all this elsewhere for free? Yep! Scattered all over the internet. Will you persevere if you haven’t paid real money for it? Maybe a little bit until it gets too hard. But when you have invested your money you pay attention more, you have a bit of pain to keep you going because you know it’s ultimately worth it.

    These are real-life, modern-day skills you learn that could get you another job if that’s what you wanted. I choose to use those skills for myself and let the value I can offer to others be the guide as to how much I’ll earn from it.

    It’s not MLM or a pyramid scheme. To say that misses the point but I get it, I certainly thought that too. I think everyone does when they start. Good luck to everyone trying to make a positive change in their lives that helps others do the same 🙂

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    • Well said Allan. I also am a member & frankly, the coaching there has truly changed my life & the opportunity that has opened for me as a result of the skills & thinking encouraged & taught by Stuart, Jay and the entire team is mind blowing – I’m still amazed by it regularly after nearly 2 years.

      I wholeheartedly believe they want each of us to succeed in our lives & businesses & that they give us the opportunity to affiliate for them, as affiliate marketing should be, to share our positive experience with others, not scamming people to make money, which sadly is something many affiliates & course providers do.

      I am also a member of another program that charges $99/month solely for the ‘privilege’ of marketing their product with absolutely no value for this, so in my opinion, the value you get within SFM for $99 is absolutely incredible!

      Let’s be real though, you get what you pay for & as Allan said, the more you invest in yourself, the more committed you are to your own success. There is (optional) higher level coaching that can take you there faster, give you clarity on your own unique value quicker, which I personally think is a fantastic idea for those really committed to success. Progress encourages progress, but when progress is slow, you may doubt it works & give up too early.
      There is a lot of value for $99/month membership & this is an introduction, although quite thorough, to the online space, available with much lower risk (cancel any time) for those who cannot afford or don’t yet trust how good the company is & that they will deliver on their promise. My own personal experience is actually that the company delivers above & beyond, every single time!

      We each need to take personal responsibility for our own success & not expect anyone (or any company) to provide all the answers – it’s simply not entrepreneurial. We all want something better, which is why we seek out alternatives in the first instance, but many of us don’t realise how the long the journey ahead of us is as we change how we think & transition from a fixed employee mindset to a growth, entrepreneur mindset.

      Is it worth embarking on that journey though & committing to our own success? Yes, absolutely!

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  2. I had a horrible experience with SIX FIGURES MENTORS. I joined their program believing that for 99 dollars in 30 days I was going to have my website up and running, making money from affiliate marketing automation. But after one week taking the course and watching the videos I realized that my dream of having a website up and running in less than 30 days was not going to be possible because these guys have a very intricate and misleading way of selling their products.

    They have created a very expensive program to make money from their own students. They make you pay for every step you take and everything is very slow in order to make money from the poor students. It is an abuse.

    They do not tell you that they will ask for more money until is too late. In other words the important info is not released unless you pay more and it is given little by little in a very slow way. Some people end up paying a lot of money to get to the end of the course. It seems that they make more money from the students than from selling products.

    I closed my account with them and their lawyer emailed me to tell me that she refunded my 99 dollars right away.

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  3. Okay first of all thanks for this post, I needed an eye-opening haha.
    Luckily I only started as a member a few days ago so I’ve ended my subscription.

    I really wanted to believe this course and I know it is doable, but it seems they are really taking advantage of eager people who truly want to build something up for themselves. So I kind of ignored the red flags, them being very shallow introductory courses and all the smooth talking of going on vacations and buying cars etc.

    I just completed the first module which was a split up more in-depth version of the shallow free course so I didn’t learn anything from that.
    Starting from the 2nd module they want to get personal. Now I believe this is where they start training you to be an affiliate for them, thanks but no thanks, think I’ll get me a Linked-in Learning subscription instead.

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  4. I am in the course right now.. signed up a week or two ago. Read many of the below comments and read the full review.. and if you did too, I can say that everything does seem to add up. Both the positive as the negative stuff. But in general, my experience is:

    Lot of good info, good vids, good introduction to the online business world, very loving and caring hand holding kinda “welcome to the online world” vibes. But yea.. maybe that’s exactly the trap. But I stay neutral for now. Just for the sake of it

    So I’ve had two personal calls until now and they are indeed personal. They do seem to want to care about their customers. But yea.. in both calls, especially the second one, I really felt their focus.. which is to sell me their expensive products. Even if they don’t push too much, they do have that focus. Someone said it somewhere in the comments already: you pay 97 dollars a month to have access to all the know-how and more expensive teachings on how to make very good money selling their stuff. So you gotta pay thousands to them, to make thousands. Fair? Maybe sure.. because if you do it right, you will probably make good money. But do we want this? Do we want to sell their products?

    But I have to say, until now it does seem they actually do promote that we get clear on our interest so that we build something around that niche. But then again, it does seem that if we really wanna learn from the best over there, we gotta invest big cash. In the webinars the guy really says it’s almost stupid to not do it.

    So basically.. this is indeed considered an MLM thing. And there was one long comment too, positive one, in which someone said how it is a good course because you practice and so you really learn the stuff.. But what I missed very much in the call (and one of the trainings) I had the other day, is them speaking more about how online business works generally rather than how it works in the umbrella of their business. They do seem to make it only about them. And of course, you can apply that to other ventures, but will you though? I don’t know. maybe you’ll just be too busy with them. easier to stay there then. I’m still hoping I will be “free” when I keep learning over there, but it seems I’m in “their cage” and I will be only able to eat the food they provide. Until now at least. And in the comments I do see other ex-members saying similar things. The positive ones are positive in the sense that they did learn something. But I was looking more for a school that teaches you how to fish in the wild and sfm might give you the impression that you will learn so, but to actually go to the wild is another story. Why go to the wild if everything is taken care of?

    Thanks very much for your review Niall! Very very good overview. And all the commenters, thanks for commenting. Very helpful.

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  5. I was with six figure mentors for a couple of months. I enjoyed the course presentation and its info, although a lot to take in at times / brain overload.

    I liked Stuart’s video training and approach. But I found SFM very expensive and the energy around one of its founders was not very nice. I did not resonate with Jay and this was a big part of my reason for leaving.

    It was only as I went deeper into the course I realised it would take more money invested to really make any money back.

    I am also left with the question is it a pyramid scheme or something of similar intent?

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  6. Thank you for writing this blogg about 6FM.
    I accidentally found your blogg while googling on six figure mentors while waiting for the “consultant ” from 6FM to call me up the first time (he was about 15 min late). I got through reading 2/3 of this article before he called me up so it became a kind of weird phone call:)

    After a phone call with another guy promoting the trainings I quit my subscription before the 30 day trial period. I really dislikes MLM companies.

    You saved me 97 dollars. I do understand why people fall for this though, Ross is very charismatic and straight forward.

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  7. My wife and I lost just over £5000 in Stuart Ross scam. We were constantly being upsold and pressured into buying.

    The guy is just so full of himself and actually knows little to nothing about digital marketing.

    We later found out that Stuart has alot of bad history in relation to owing money etc

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    • I hear you completely I also do not resonate with Jay at all. I think he actually does a disservice to Stuart whom seems genuine. I find Jay’s talks awfully dull. And pointless and for that reason I am looking elsewhere.

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  8. Yup. Been there done that. They actually manage to make me get rid of about £2000 all together. And when I said I could not honour my payments anymore because I literally had the bare minimum left, they said my only option is to wait and make more money (from my physical job), but not more than a year as they would cancel my account. And they didn’t give me any money back… Keep in mind I made no money whatsoever with them during that time.

    I was so naive a few years back to believe this bs. Wish I saw your site before.

    All in all, I wouldn’t recommend SFM to anyone.

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  9. Hi! I would just like to say that your inside and review of SFM is 100% spot on, there are genuine people who really want to run and be successful in running an online business and this is where things go wrong, it’s just taking advantage of a given situation where knowledge is power and those without knowledge seem to be mistreated and unfairly used. However, I am not here to rant about the obvious sale of SFM as this review highlights what needed to be said so, Thank You Niall… Great Job!!

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  10. Thanks for such a detailed review. There are currently lots of ads featuring Stuart Ross’ disciples on YouTube. They never mention him straight away but do once you have submitted your e-mail. I assume the reason that Stuart no longer appears in adverts is because his own personal brand is so tarnished. A general rule of them which has served me well over the years is if I see Stuart Ross’ name anywhere, it’s a clear instruction to NOT invest.

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  11. Hi,
    I’m former SFM member and I’ve been a member for 6 months. This is what I learned about SFM:
    (And sorry about my english)

    SFM is great to beginners who doesn’t know anything about online business. There is great introduction into the online business basics. First two modules give you the motivation and the drive you might need. That’s it.
    At the end of the second module they cut the ground from under students’ feet by trying to aggressively sell Elite membership. ”If you really want to success, you have to upgrade”. And fees are huge!!
    I didn’t upgrade. I wanted to know what the All-in membership has to offer, it was so praised in free webinars. They promised to teach how to build a business around your passion.

    So, in this All-in membership you can choose from 3 paths.
    1. The system for selling online. It’s told to be about affiliate marketing but it actually teaches how to be an affiliate for SFM (step by step) and if you are a beginner in online business stuff, there is no way you could apply these trainings to affiliate marketing in general.
    2. Online business from scratch is for those who know what their passion is and it suppose to teach how to build business around your passion. What a disappoinment it was when I realized that these was almost exactly the same video trainings that are in path 1. There is more info abot niche brainstorming and videos about content planning, but there wasn’t any proper step by step trainings how to successfully start a blog.
    So I decided to take a look at the 3. one.
    3. Go through Ecomm 101. This was rediculously short training, they only tell about eCommerce but dont teach how to do it. You neet an expensive Elite membership to get some more information.

    Through SFM facebook group I know a lot of members who cant brakethrough even after years ob being in SFM and even being an Elite member… All they do is talk about right mindset etc.
    Success is not guaranteed, I understand that, but I feel that SFM doesn’t do what they promuse in their free webinars.

    If you need mentoring and coaching SFM is for you. And for more money there is even more mentoring and coaching I guess.

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      • I just read my comment and want to correct it.

        SFM is not good for beginners, it’s actually more of a trap. They are great marketers and they will persuade you to join the community and they are great to talk you into the Elite membership. And stay there.. I think for me it was waste of time being in this community.

        But if you already have an online business, income and spare money, but lack of motivation, maybe SFM is ok. But I think you can find coatching for less money.

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  12. Hi ya,
    I am an SFM member who is actually happy with it.
    As with an earlier comment poster, I’d like to note your review is a bit out of date though, there have been changes since it was made so to tag on 2021 in your title is not quite correct. You wouldn’t tag 2021 on the end of a review for a 2020 car when the 2021 model has a bunch of new features and upgrades, why have you done it for you review?

    When you first start with SFM there is a 12 module course and at the end of that, you have a website built to promote SFM. Do you have to use it? No. But you have now had the practical experience of learning how to build a website and a funnel from scratch. Much better than just reading about it or doing them as individual, unrelated courses in Linked In Learning or random free videos on Youtube – in fact the curation of the information is exactly what you are paying for. But you also now have a funnel and a high ticket product you can work with as you gain experience. Better than trying to promote a $100 item from clickbank that you get 10-15%, especially seeing as SFM is aimed at beginners looking to start from scratch and have no experience in marketing. It can be expected that inexperienced marketers will go backwards in their paid advertising at the start, this access to high ticket items gives them a chance to recoup that at least with possibilities of $1,000, $2,000, and higher commissions literally from their first ad. Will they get them from their first ad, probably not, but some have. Also a lot of beginners don’t know what else to promote in the hugeness of the web, so this is handed to them as a product to move forward with.

    Is it MLM? Maybe, but even then, why does that matter? Robert Kiyosaki of Rich Dad Poor Dad fame recommends spending time in the MLM world to learn to sell. If you are going to run a business, including an online business, you must know how to sell. SFM is focussed on taking people from their offline, old lives to an online business. People need how to learn to understand funnels and selling if they are going to succeed, SFM offers this even if the funnel is for their own course. It gives them something to practice selling from day one, something they understand as they are doing it themselves.

    I fully agree their weakness is not talking enough about other opportunities. I don’t want to go down the e-commerce path so I have not investigated their training about that area, but from an affiliate side, I agree they could do more about how to find other high ticket items.

    At $97pm I think it is worth it. I know of other affiliate training sites charging same or more that seem to supply less, although I won’t comment further on those as I have not fully researched them.

    Are the upgrades worth it, again I think some of the lower ones are. The jury is still out on the upper couple of levels. These are where SFM laser focus on scripting, story, influence, copywriting, ad structure and everything about messaging. Another one focuses on technicals: how to fix bugs in your website, tracking, crunching numbers, campaign structure and a bunch more.

    Of course people won’t make it, many will fail, many won’t. I do know quite a list of people who have made and are making money via what they learned in this program some selling SFM, many doing other things with what they learned: running coaching businesses, running marketing consultancies, marketing on behalf of others and promoting other products.

    It depends on what you’re after. SFM is very good at taking people who know nothing about online marketing and getting them started right through to launching them out the back end with experience and a clear goal of what they want to do next.

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    • Hey Tim,

      This is great, thank you for sharing all that.

      Responding to a few points.

      You wouldn’t tag 2021 on the end of a review for a 2020 car when the 2021 model has a bunch of new features and upgrades, why have you done it for you review?

      I haven’t seen any indication that SFM has been significantly updated for 2021. As such, this review has not been significantly updated either. It is labelled 2021 because I believe it is still fully relevant to people looking for a review of the current SFM training.

      If you can point me towards some reliable info about recent and significant updates to SFM, I will gladly reconsider. As I responded to another commenter, SFM has been around since 2010. I find it hard to believe that they have significantly improved their training in the past several months while keeping their marketing materials the same.

      Is it MLM? Maybe, but even then, why does that matter?

      It matters a lot, IMO. I have an article about MLM here. As I wrote there, the most recent, large-scale MLM income report was a 2018 survey of 1,049 MLM participants. The hourly earnings of those surveyed worked out to only $0.67 per hour.

      It’s pretty well documented now that the vast majority of people who get involved with an MLM type business have very little chance of success, no matter how much work they put into it. The business model is just a very tough one to succeed with, unless you get in early and can convince lots of people to join your downline. Which basically means you’d be convincing lots of people to sign up for a very bad business opportunity while telling them it’s awesome.

      Robert Kiyosaki of Rich Dad Poor Dad fame recommends spending time in the MLM world to learn to sell.

      I don’t think he’s the best advocate of anything given all the controversy and criticism about him. I’m personally not a fan.

      I do know quite a list of people who have made and are making money via what they learned in this program some selling SFM, many doing other things with what they learned

      Feel free to email me screenshots or more details regarding the latter. I haven’t been able to find any information about them myself. The only success stories I’ve been able to verify are from students primarily promoting SFM to others. And that’s simply a big red flag for me.

      In contrast, the vast majority of success stories I see from the affiliate marketing courses I do recommend are NOT from students promoting those same courses.

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  13. Hi Niall,
    Your old version of this review almost stopped me joining SFM. I’m so glad I at least tried my first 30 day no risk trial.

    I honestly think your review is VERY out of date and think you should take the time to join as an all-in member so you can give a proper and more honest review of what’s on offer here.

    I joined TASS on your recommendation and the training there is excellent too but very narrow in focus. (Not a bad thing). If you want to know about Amazon or similar affiliate models and how to use SEO etc then those guys are for out.

    SFM on the other hand is extremely comprehensive online business training. The product has evidently grown and matured since you were inside and I feel your review is extremely unfair.

    I can make many people who have extremely successful businesses (not SFM affiliates) who learnt everything they know about online business from SFM.

    I think if you want a as community and a very beginner friendly introduction to online business then SFM is a as great place to get your start.

    Although some of the initial training modules show you how to use their products to learn affiliate marketing, that really is the tip of the iceberg.

    I think as you’ve updated this for 2021 without changing your review in any meaningful way, you should have been honest and actually joined the program again.

    It is evident you’ve not been inside and looked around the new Mentors area which is packed from off valuable training on a wide range of topics.

    I’ve been in your mailing list for some time and enjoy your Friday content but I feel you’re actually doing people a disservice with this review and if your were honest you’d say you’ve not actually reviewed this properly and you’ve dismissed it based on your prior experiences.

    Companies are Allowed to grow and improve and I think you should have another look.

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    • Hey Ian,

      Thanks for the comment.

      Companies are Allowed to grow and improve and I think you should have another look.

      I agree with you on the first part. But I took a deep look at SFM less than a year ago. The training had already been around for a decade by that point. I find it hard to believe that it has improved significantly in the past several months. I looked at their sales page just now. It hasn’t changed since I last saw it. I did a quick search for student reviews and found the same generic praise I saw before. Nothing new.

      As I wrote in the review, “I can’t recall seeing even one example of a student who has earned significant income promoting something other than Six Figure Mentors itself.”

      I still haven’t seen an example of that. You suggest that these people do exist, and they may well do. But for whatever reason they seem to keep a very low profile. Meanwhile, most of the comments on this review and the emails I’ve received in the past year from SFM students only serve to strengthen my opinion that SFM should be avoided.

      So you’ll have to excuse me for not spending several more hours of my time giving SFM another chance.

      Maybe I will once I’ve heard multiple believable reports of non-affiliate students doing well with the program.

      But until then, I’d rather spend my time reviewing and recommending training programs that are far less expensive, have fewer red flags, and seem to deliver much better results for students.

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      • Hi Niall,
        Thanks for the quick reply and sorry for the dodgy phone auto-correct mistakes in my original response.

        I think the problem is that you’ve only really taken the initial ‘getting started’ modules into consideration. Once you’ve completed them you have access to a whole range of more specific training in subject areas like YouTube Marketing, Ecommerce 101, WooComerce, Convertri, Building an Instagram channel, Aweber and many more including the entire catalog of ‘Bulletproof xxx” advertising training.

        You also become a member of an active community of online entrepreneurs who are happy to help and encourage each other. That sort of peer to peer connection has become especially valuable in the post COVID world!

        Additionally, you’ve failed to mention or didn’t realise that the membership fee includes web hosting and support for your business website.

        With regards to successful people laying low, someone referenced your article in our private Facebook community yesterday because a potential client had highlighted it regarding their concerns about joining. The result was a long post of people who have made successful online businesses as a result of skills that they’ve learned through SFM’s training. One particular example has grown a 6 figure business in the last 8 months and she is not alone.

        Another thing that did come up was as a consensus that this sort of black hat promotion of TASS wasn’t really good practice or ethical, and you really shouldn’t be piggybacking on the high traffic volume that SFM gets to promote your own affiliate links. Having affiliate links to other programs in a bad review is a bit shady, WA in particular have been notorious for this in the past and it really isn’t a good look. I’ve got a lot of respect for the guys at TASS and I’m not sure they’d endorse promoting them in this way.

        Keep putting out your great newsletter, but I’d respectfully suggest you have a proper look at SFM before you dismiss it as an overpriced MLM type offering there is certainly more to it than what you suggest. I’ve been an SFM member for around 7 months and it has grown/evolved in that time (and I’ve made money promoting their products).

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        • Hey Ian, thanks again for the comments. I appreciate you sharing your perspective here.

          The result was a long post of people who have made successful online businesses as a result of skills that they’ve learned through SFM’s training. One particular example has grown a 6 figure business in the last 8 months and she is not alone.

          That sounds great. I’d love to see that. If possible, screenshot some of those and email them to me. I will gladly take a look and I’m willing to reconsider my impression of SFM accordingly.

          As noted in my review, I searched far and wide online and didn’t find any such success stories posted publicly. But of course absence of evidence != evidence of absence.

          Another thing that did come up was as a consensus that this sort of black hat promotion of TASS wasn’t really good practice or ethical, and you really shouldn’t be piggybacking on the high traffic volume that SFM gets to promote your own affiliate links.

          Hmm. I think we have very different definitions of black hat. In my book, black hat SEO is violating search engine guidelines to boost your rankings. I don’t think my goal of reviewing every affiliate marketing course would count. From what you’re saying, the only way to not be “black hat” would be to only have positive reviews on my site, or to at least not mention better alternatives to courses I don’t recommend.

          But aside from that, you’re assuming here that my intention from the start was to review TASS positively, review every other affiliate marketing course negatively, then recommend TASS as a better alternative. But that wasn’t my approach. I go into reviewing each course hoping it will be great and that I can recommend it in good conscience. Think about the people who land on this SFM review after searching on Google. It would be so easy to tell them that SFM is great and they should buy it. The commissions I would earn from referring people to SFM would be massive – far more than what I get from recommending TASS – since SFM is such a high-priced training with multiple upsells.

          Every time I go to review a course and find I can’t recommend it in good conscience, I am genuinely disappointed. It would be so much easier (and profitable) to tell people to buy the course they were curious about than to recommend an alternative they’ve likely never heard of before.

          Having affiliate links to other programs in a bad review is a bit shady

          I respectfully disagree. Go look up a product on Amazon that has bad reviews. What does Amazon do? On that very same page, they show you dozens of similar products with higher ratings. Many big affiliate sites do the same thing.

          What would you suggest as an alternative? Should I tell people that I don’t recommend SFM but make no mention of alternatives I consider far superior? Or is it okay to mention the alternatives so long as I’m not an affiliate for them? I’d be incredibly surprised if SFM themselves teach that approach to affiliate marketing.

          I’ve been an SFM member for around 7 months and it has grown/evolved in that time (and I’ve made money promoting their products).

          Not sure if you made a typo there. Sounds like you’re saying you’ve made money with SFM by promoting SFM’s own products. Which only reinforces one of the biggest criticisms I have of their program.

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      • Just for your information the SFM are unveiling a new range of programs under the banner of ‘LAUNCH YOU’ all for the princely sum of US$2500 and above. I don’t know how good they are, but judging by your review Niall I would rather wait and see.

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  14. Hi!
    Thanks for the article. Im in my third (and last) month with SFM. I joined somewhat impulsively, and I have gone through both courses, and everything is like you say in your review. Its my own fault I haven’t done any research before signing up, but I haven’t invested too much – $97 x 3, so I’ll live haha.
    What I will say as a positive thing for SFM is that it had put me on this path of wanting to have and build an online business, something I haven’t considered at all, and the other thing is that their DBL tools allow you to create nice web sites without having much knowledge. Any kind of web sites, not just web sites to promote them.
    Don’t know how difficult it is otherwise to create a web site with Word Press (I studied languages so I have no digital skills whatsoever), but DBL tools seemed easy enough to me.
    Anyway, its time to see what other courses are out there, I have really set my mind now to having an online business just need to decide what exactly.
    Cheers and good luck!

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  15. Hi to all of you peering about the SFM ”miracle”!

    This is my personal experience with this product, if you don’t agree, pay-join-enjoy or skip my comment.

    The whole feeling I’ve got around this is MLM(multi-level-marketing).
    Attention! I was not influenced by others opinion, first I bought and then I researched the net for reviews, when something really felt wrong; search on my previous comment here on the matter.

    I joined the SFM on 20th of nov 2020 and I left on 3rd of December same year so nearly two weeks in.
    Why? Well as good as they were to get me in, same talented they were to make me leave.

    Pros:
    -They are great marketers, really good in how they promote the whole thing and to make you become a member.
    -If one withdraws in 30 days, the refund is paid automatically within 3 business days.

    Cons: (how long time have you got?)

    -The program has 7 modules. I never watched as much publicity as I watched in the first 2 modules, because until module 3 lesson called ”Link Generator”, all one gets is advertisement to more expensive trainings they promote, a bunch of videos (well staged and with an excellent defined psychological message behind the scenes) of some members life stories, stories and experiences I never asked for, personally I never found appealing this kind of promotion and episodes of Stuart’s Ross flashy lifestyle.
    At the end of module 1, your next step….buy something! Hold on! You were supposed to teach me something NOT sell me more.
    In one of the webinars of module 2, the trainer, Justin I think his name, was mumbling something about ”the money aren’t as important, don’t think of it. We are here for fulfilment and to help people”. Wow…since when money aren’t important?!? Isn’t this the reason we all gathered here?
    Well if is so important the fulfilment for them, why so expensive everything they endorse and why they trying so hard to persuate and convince me to buy?
    And if you so excellent at what you teaching people in this program, the members should be able to see real results, gain real money out of it and then proceed further to invest in themselves, NOT bring money from home for the miraculous better, faster ways to make money online.
    At the end of this webinar, the so full of inspiration and fulfilment Justin is ”elegant” enough to pass the message that if you give up you ain’t better than a looser. …Thanks…
    So after two days following the first two modules I felt quite deflated, disappointed and a very strong sensation of being just a retarded turtle pursuing as a Basic Essential member with 97 dollars/month.
    I practically sensed that I paid to watch advertisement for their top packages.
    The rest of the modules will introduce you in the marketing world and how to recruit customers, how to create your website, how to ad etc, everything with extra costs besides the membership and if you not willing to spend extra then deal with the time for results *and keep paying the membership 🙂 *

    -Another mumble jumble is the Blue Print Process, a FB community wanna be where everyone is zen waiting to live the best life, a plan where one has to follow steps and tasks all around self improvement, motivation and growth….God help us! Helllloooooo???
    They all seem to forget that for nearly 100 bucks per month they are supposed to get something out of it to produce money NOT to fantasise, dream and encourage others.
    I feel pity for members longer than a year into this (do the math) still struggling to launch their website or content.

    -There are hidden costs all along the process.Further you go, cash in.
    -If one continues and invests, one learn how to promote ONLY the SFM program on the webpage they teach you to create.

    The final decision to disengage myself from all this was after the phone conversation with my mentor (a sales agent) really nice, indeed well trained, conversation booked to talk about what I more appeal to, the affiliate marketing program or the business plan, e-commerce, etc.
    After I explained him few details and that is not the case to try to convince me into a more costly coaching, he still insisted that there is a special price for a prelaunch wow program and I can pay it in few smaller amounts not all at once. In other words, we spoke together and got along separately.

    Is SFM a scam? It’s only up to you to try and decide for yourself.

    Good luck to everyone trying to find ways of making money online 🙂

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  16. I signed up to SFM in August 2019. I had to pay $29.95 just to join, then watch a series of promotional videos. I was encouraged to upgrade to essentials with a $100 discount for a limited time only. A phone call from my personal mentor also encouraged upgrading. I explained that I had a very small budget as I was only on minimum wage at the time but they said I would be able to earn as I learned so would soon be able to meet the payments easily.

    I upgraded and started to watch the training videos. Some were good but others were tediously long. I was advised to watch films like the secret and the shift and buy various books on self improvement. I love to read but some of these books sent me to sleep

    After several months had gone by, I had a WordPress website, a domain name and hosting. But no actual business. My sponsor said the best way to start growing my business was by writing articles. So I wrote lots of articles about internet marketing, living the laptop lifestyle etc. I put up a Facebook page and signed up to ezine sites. Google analytics showed I’d had 85 page views in a month, average time spent on my site – 3 seconds. Well, it was a start…

    Feeling disappointed I asked my sponsor what I should do next. He said paid Facebook ads and also to make a YouTube video. I got someone on fiverr to create an animated video for me and set up 3 different advertising campaigns. I also set a budget of £10 a day for Facebook ads. After a month, traffic had increased to 111 page views. Big deal. I had messages from Facebook and YouTube telling me that I had to increase my daily budget to around £75 a day! With such a small budget my ads were as good as invisible! No way could I afford that. I was constantly overdrawn at the bank and I hadn’t yet earned a penny from SFM.

    My sponsor told me that if I wanted to rely on writing blogs and articles it would take 2-3 years before I started to make an income from SFM. I wanted to quit my job and live the laptop lifestyle that SFM promised was achievable. It looked like a distant dream rather than a distinct possibility.

    Disillusioned, I began looking for an alternative. I found SBI and only had to pay $19.95 a month instead of $97. I did some additional research at the same time and came across an article on cookie cutter websites. I was shocked to read that google ranks such websites very low, even penalising site owners because their site is the same as hundreds of others out there! SFM give you a template which you can customise with images, text, videos etc but is still basically the same as other members have. The mini site that SFM provides to sell their products is even worse, Google’s spiders will dismiss it as a copy of someone else’s site, even if you’ve changed some things in it. So all that effort over several months, not to mention the money spent, was wasted.

    SFM doesn’t encourage you to run your own business, they just want an army of drones selling their products for them. I regret ever signing up but at least I learned from my mistakes. Avoid them like the plague.

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    • Wow, thanks for sharing your experience with SFM, Karen.

      I explained that I had a very small budget as I was only on minimum wage at the time but they said I would be able to earn as I learned so would soon be able to meet the payments easily.

      That right there is a big red flag that everyone should watch out for. Nobody with a clean conscience should be advising someone on minimum wage and with a small budget to invest lots of money like that. It’s way too risky.

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  17. Hi there, I agree with you 100% – SFM is a totally waste of money and exactly that – they are grooming you to become their affiliate – nothing more. I spent one year building a website and they teach you to connect their mini site to your blog so Google closed my sited down due to “circumventing systems” I eventually found out that they view that mini site direction as “cloaking” and deceiving to visitors as they are directed to a completely different site. That was my cue to quit! I am so relieved I have as the self help mind stuff was just purely overwhelming and there was never any other “nitty gritty” business tuition about how you actually make $$$ online. Waste of time and $.

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  18. Thanks Niall for a thoughtful article. Great articles throughout in fact.
    I’m also a new member of the SFM community (joined in May) and can support some of the positive comments made here that if you’re new to the online world, then the SFM training program is really great at taking you through the fundamentals of understanding affiliate marketing, ecommerce and setting up an online business. I’m in my late 50s, currently out of work and looking for alternative ways to make an income. I’m fairly sceptical of this type of scheme or program but it did deliver in terms of opening up my eyes to the online possibilities, changing my mindset (I’ve worked 9 to 5 for over 30 years), and getting me up and running online. But I can also relate to the other more negative comments. For example my personal SFM business consultant was in reality a sales person, who tried to upgrade me when I was still relatively new to the training and I was in no position to make a qualified decision. Also now I’m online and even starting to use PPC and Google Analytics, I feel very much on my own. It’s like I have all the plumbing set up but now I’m just trying to figure out how to make the water flow 🙂 SFM has a community that’s pretty active but their posts are primarily motivational and ‘plumbing’-related support questions. Maybe I really need to upgrade to get access to their more personal coaching but I’m not convinced it’ll be bang for the buck for me.
    Anyhoo in summary, my website is still not where I want it to be yet but I have been happy with SFM fundamental training and where it has taken me in only a few short months. Apart from the SFM monthly membership, there were other hidden costs such as Aweber fees, domain fees, Adword spends, etc, but I see all of this as a necessary investment. Saying that though, I do have ambitions to make significant income online. And based on your article and some of your readers comments, it seems unlikely that’ll happen only selling SFM products.
    All the best and stay safe, Ken

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  19. Dear Neill,

    Thank you for providing such an excellent review of SFM with facts.

    I was really going to consider investing time and energy into their course as it looked so good from the outside, and well if you don’t know much about this game I guess anything can look good.

    I read over their membership agreement contract and felt that the energy did not feel right in terms of the data policies etc… and so it made me ask the question, are there any proper reviews on what seems almost too good to be true? I guess the bait the hook to spike the fish concept is applicable here.

    Well done to you for the excellent service you provide to people, you have definitely saved me so much of time, energy, and money.

    God bless you, kind sir.

    Best,
    Dillon

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  20. Hi Niall, Thanks for being prepared to do some research and host a debate on this emerging industry. One thing’s for sure, the uptake of digital skills and commerce is only going to increase in the days ahead so we all need to be as informed as we can with the limited time that we have. I’m just adding to the debate on your SFM post and will declare an interest up front, I am a member of SFM.
    I literally went from zero online presence to starting an online business from scratch which I now spend a few hours each week on alongside my regular employment.
    Interestingly, I’ve been able to support my regular employer transition to the online world during lockdown with the skills learned through SFM, in other words, my SFM learning has been transferable.
    I appreciate you’ve focussed on the ‘Affiliate Model’ of SFM. It’s worth mentioning you can have a free account with SFM and join their affiliate scheme and gain commissions for free. Obviously you need to have some prior marketing knowledge for that to work for you but you actually don’t have to pay to be an affiliate of SFM of have any ongoing outlay to them to receive commissions form them. Also, the affiliate model is just one model offered, again if the intent of your article was to look purely at affiliate models then forgive me, but that’s just one element, SFM also offer routes into other markets, such as Coaching / Teaching, or even physical product sales through the DEA Import Experts academy (See https://digitalexpertsacademy.com/import-xperts) where they can even help you source products from specific manufacturers to cut out the middle man, and where students have learned to create sustainable incomes from selling their chosen products.
    However, from my experience, a lot of members start off with promoting the SFM series as their ‘product line’ because if you don’t have anything to sell it’s something ready to run with, but that in itself can cause problems because ‘newbies’ have a potential to miss-sell things, so create a wrong expectation from buyers. With regards to actual monies made by members, I’ve found while claims such as ‘ I made $X’ are shared in private groups, they are discouraged from open forums as the organisation doesn’t want to attract people who think they are going to join a ‘get rich quick scheme’ or to give an impression that you’ll make loads of money by signing up. I mention this because you refer to another scheme which openly showed earnings and you queried why SFM didn’t.
    Could you get from Linked in Learning what you get from DEA Black membership?
    (Note Linked in Learning is included in Elite+ memberships as well as tools, systems and support) Maybe some people could figure out things for themselves purely by charting a path through Linked in Learning. However, if I may use a mountaineering analogy, depending on your experience you could plan an expedition to Mt Everest all by yourself. It would take you a long time, but eventually in a few years you’d get to the summit. However, if you’re relatively new to mountaineering you could choose to pay for a guide to plan the expedition and take you with them, that way you’d get to the summit quicker, but, there’d be a cost for the guide.
    For me starting out in the online world, I chose to opt for the guide and am glad I did.
    The reality is SFM will not be right for everyone and for those who’ve had bad experiences with the program I really wish them the best with their future development. Best wishes to all your viewers, Stephen

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    • Thanks for the thoughtful comment, Stephen. Much appreciated.

      This review was focused more on the affiliate marketing side of SFM, yes.

      I’m sure there is some value in the SFM training, but the MLM model they use and the fact that some of their training costs as much as $20,000 – I’m assuming you paid that, since that’s what DEA Black costs – is very offputting to me. I just can’t see how it’s worth it given the far less expensive alternatives, many of which seem to have way more (believable) success stories.

      I think a better analogy would be paying $20k for a Mt Everest guide who has a shady past (ie. SFM) vs. paying less than $1000 for a different guide who appears more trustworthy and has more positive testimonials (ie. some of the better courses I’ve reviewed).

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  21. Hi Niall,
    Good review and you make some really interesting points. I came across SFM on a YouTube advertisement. Normally I skip them to be honest, but the guy in the ad seemed really genuine and his shared his story about how he left his full time job to digitally market. I went to his site and left my email address. Later I realized this is all part of their list teaching that they “teach you” you, but I’ll get to that.

    After I left my email address, I immediately received a welcome email advising me to check out the videos from Stuart Ross. There were three videos in total and all of them were aimed at getting you to sign up to their 30 day entry course for €29. He reiterates many times you get your money back but I wasn’t convinced. However, I didn’t unsubscribe from the email as something subconsciously kept saying to give it a try. After a couple of weeks, I received yet another email inviting me to a live webinar where I could get the inside track on digital marketing and how it could change my life. I said why not, just for a laugh more than anything else. The sign up said that the webinar would begin at 8pm on Thursday. This was on the Wednesday I signed up, but within a half hour I received an email saying the webinar is about to begin. I couldn’t join, so I just ignored it. The next day I received an email saying I missed the webinar, but no problem you can watch it now!.
    Long story I know, but bare with me.

    The video was full of videos on how loads of people made great money, one thing I noticed was that one of the people sharing their story already had a marketing degree, a couple who set up their own e-commerce business selling stuff, and another couple who … I’m not really sure what, it wasn’t very clear. I thought wow this interesting, but still skeptical. Stuart proceeded to offer the essential course, normally €297 and €97 a month there after, for a low cost €97 once off payment, and €97 a month each month. He said I could get a 30day trial, and then a refund, but to be honest I’m not sure about that as I’m only 15 days in and haven’t cancelled yet!.

    After I signed up, I was genuinely interested in learning digital marketing and have been for awhile now. The course consists of seven modules. The first is an introduction which lasts a few minutes. The second is all about “mind frame “ and genuinely took me days to complete, because there are two 3 hour conferences to listen to. You need to listen, because there’s a code they provide you that you require in order to move to module 3. The entire time they were gearing towards you making sales, but it wasn’t very clear what they were talking about. I fell asleep a couple of times and kept missing the code.

    Anyway, three days later I finally got it and put it in eagerly anticipating my next module. Then the alarms bell started ringing. I was instructed to book a call with my consultant, and join the fb group. So I did. The fb group is full of really nice people, but none of them appear to be marketing anything other than the SFM product. A few people doing not for profit stuff but just a handful. I’m thinking to myself this seems very much like MLM, which I’m not very keen on and never have been. I go back to the course and boom, there it is, they are asking me to pay $2,500 to go to “elite training “. I haven’t and won’t. I’m going to finish the last few modules on essential since I paid for them but fully anticipate leaving before the 30days. On Tuesday just gone I had the call with the consultant. As expected, it was a sales call trying to get me to buy the elite package. I played along and actually pretended I was abit thick. I emailed back asking why there was two different packages advertised. One for 6k and one for 2.5 as mentioned. Without even an hello, I received an aggressively toned email, saying I need to choose between the two elite course modules, affiliate or e-commerce which are both 2.5k. Afterwards, I can go to the “mastermind” program for 6k!!! Or if I wanted could just go straight to that instead.

    I’m on module 4 of 7 on essential and still haven’t learned anything about digital marketing. I feel so sorry for all the people I see on fb, slaving trying to sell the SFM program. I wish them success but like all MLMs in my opinion, the pyramid gets too big and cannot grow any further. That’s not saying it’s a scam, it’s just not a very good business concept unless you get in early and that’s your thing.

    They are making lists and lists of followers and subscribers, but only with the view to sell them a course they are taking themselves!!!. I’m no expert but I would think the idea of a legitimate digital marketer is to get lists of subscribers to sell them products that you can gain a following and trust with that could last for years to come?.

    That’s personally what I’m going to do. I’m currently looking for a training course online, but at the minute I’m just watching helpful YouTube videos. Iv learned more from them, than 4 modules of the SFM essential.

    Sorry it’s so long, but hope it could be useful to someone else.

    Keith

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      • No problem, thanks. You will see a lot of people say they are only selling SFM while they learn digital marketing, then they will go and affiliate something else!!. I’d love to tell them, Come on, wake up and smell the roses. What are you going to sell afterwards and to whom, and with what list of subscribers?. The one owned by SFM?. I don’t want to be too critical, but I will honestly admit that I was nearly sucked in by the whole thing also. I read the fb posts, where people have taken out loans in order to “fund their path”. I feel really sorry for them. They might recruit people and they might make money but it won’t last forever!. Are they purchasing the right insurance or making sure they don’t owe tax?. I doubt most have even thought about that element.

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    • Hi Keith, I too am a member. Something to point out based on what you are saying is you should not even be doing the modules you are on.

      If you are wanting to learn digital marketing skills for other products or services there is a whole host of trainings and even step by step modules for that which are tailored to the business model you are building.

      Remember, there are many courses to choose form and I suggest you speak with their customer support to get help selecting the right one. This is something I hear they are working to improve on as there is so much choice it can get confusing. I needed help with this to when I started.

      I won’t get involved here with the product quality as I do not see how this can possibly be fairly written based on my experience.

      Reach out to me if you like in the community and I can show you what course, in the essential membership, that’s helped me grow my affiliate business in a niche nothing to do with affiliate marketing. I’m not rich yet but I am making a few sales lol

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    • Hi Keith 🙂
      Very helpful to me your review. I’m only four days into Sfm, already on module 4.
      I made sure I get that dam code from a recorded webinar and not waste my time waiting for the live one.
      Getting more and more disappointed by what I’ve found and been ”taught* so far.
      I feel like an idiot to pay to watch and listen to advertisement.
      Advertisement to more expensive trainings. In 2 days the mentor is booked to call me. You confirmed so good what I anticipated, that will be actually a sale member trying to sell me one of those 2.500 bucks packages 🙂 Good luck to him with that.

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    • Try SBI (solobuildit.com) they offer step by step training on how to build a business, not be an affiliate. I joined in May and have learned so much already. Everything is included and they teach you how to get traffic without spending money on paid ads. It costs me just $19.95 a month. I wish I had found them before I got sucked in to SFM.

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  22. Something I have noticed with all of your reviews is that they aren’t objective at all…

    You think an affiliate marketing training isn’t good just because students tend to promote the program first… But this doesn’t make the program a scam !
    Who told you that ??
    Those students have got to choose to promote it themselves. Especially when they don’t know which niche they have to choose.
    The truth is most of people who promote the program first, don’t know which niche to go for…

    It’s likely that you are trying to bring the most popular affiliate marketing platform down, just to promote your Authority Hacker’s… I see you

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    • Hey Warren,

      Thanks for the comment.

      You think an affiliate marketing training isn’t good just because students tend to promote the program first

      That’s just one red flag I look for. I have no problem with someone promoting an affiliate marketing course. But when the majority of success stories from a program seem to be students selling the same program to other students, I consider it more of an MLM scheme than proper affiliate marketing training.

      But this doesn’t make the program a scam ! Who told you that ??

      Perhaps you misread my review. I specifically wrote, “I wouldn’t go so far as to call it a scam”

      It’s likely that you are trying to bring the most popular affiliate marketing platform down, just to promote your Authority Hacker’s

      I’m not sure why you’d call SFM the most popular affiliate marketing platform. But I could surely make more money recommending something like SFM than I could recommending the Authority Hacker course, since SFM has massive upsells and Authority Hacker has none. So what you’re implying here doesn’t make any sense.

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      • What makes a SCAM a SCAM? In defining a scam, I would use descriptive phrases such as sleight-of-hand, bait-and-switch, hidden agenda, etc. I joined SFM in 2016 beginning with a $25.00 application fee, then quickly went to the starter package, in a couple of weeks I went to the Silver package, and within a month I went to Gold. I now look back with embarrassment as I recall skipping my normal due diligence and abandoning the healthy dose of skepticism usually applied before diving into new ventures. As a business owner of an online small business financing, funding, and business credit company I knew very little about marketing my organization online. I then came across a YouTube video of a woman offering training for marketing your business online, and that YouTube video eventually lead me to SFM. I had a specific stance on MLM’s, don’t join them and don’t sell their products! So this is where the sleight-of-hand etc. comes in. Had I known anything about affiliate marketing at all I would not have joined SFM; I was told by the woman in the YouTube video (who became my sponsor into SFM) that I would learn to market my business with their training, and the higher package I buy, the more personalized the training would get with coaches and so on. I jumped in with both feet. It was a pretty good start with the provided training within the portal, that is if you don’t know anything about Affiliate Marketing. I avoided the whole gathering as a community and daily / weekly calls thing for encouragement, and virtual “cry rooms”, to include the Leader Board successes and promotions weekly calls. I simply wasn’t interested, I was thee to promote and market my own business and SFM was going to give me the training, know-how, and resources to do just that, so I thought. I eventually found out that if you are not interested in selling SFM as a product, there was actually very little training to promote anything outside of SFM / DEA. In addition, the knowledge that could be gained is not transferable to your business! Why you may ask? Because it’s not Affiliate Marketing training, but product training, promotion, and advertising, and as I mentioned SFM is the product. You’re actually selling the prospect of a sale to the new recruit, or more precise the prospect of lots of sales leading those interested to a laptop lifestyle, a life of residual income (they didn’t use the word commissions). By the way, I witnessed that YouTube woman, my sponsor, sell at least 2 Black level packages to 2 sisters who were both nurses and who also cashed in their annuity to join as Black Level members and these 2 lady’s didn’t even know what a URL was; $31,000 each, they paid! Well after continuing my journey in the online marketing space I found that in order to get into Affiliate Marketing you either need to hire affiliates, or become an affiliate, for instance an Affiliate of an Affiliate Network like Max Bounty, PeerFly, etc. Hiring affiliates of course require a properly constructed affiliate program and if you want some of the best marketers then hire an affiliate network company. Nevertheless, marketing your business doesn’t require affiliate marketing, just digital/online marketing know-how whether organic, PPC or paid traffic through social media outlets. Which SFM / DEA is neither, as you have already mentioned, and I didn’t find out until it was too late to be refunded, it’s an MLM… sleight-of-hand, bait-and-switch. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not crying about it! I took that lemon and trust me I made lemonade! It is difficult to give any cautionary advice due to the fact that when you’re in business you’re gonna pay for training, in my case I am now Certified in the online Not-So-Scammy-Scam, so it wasn’t the training I was intending to purchase, but I paid, and kept it moving, buyer beware!

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